What is your initial reaction when seeing this in a different setting?
Asked by Ana Monroy 
3 months ago
Last Updated: August 30, 2024
I came across this in a different group. What’s the first thing that comes to mind when you see it?
Why though?
People on here seem to love bending pipe, whether it’s needed or not. Just bend, bend, bend. I would fire everyone involved in that.
I mean it looks amazing! But it also seems like the panels were installed in the wrong spot… haha
Oh really? You sound like an asshole, but maybe they could have made the intersection more visible for people like you. They did give the place they were at some charisma, though. Fire them, ha! You’re ridiculous, bro.
Jim, hey there! Based on your lack of punctuation, I’d have to guess that you’re not in a position to fire anyone. Words can be tricky.
I’ve been a member of IBEW for more than 40 years before I retired. We always made sure to plan everything out to minimize bends in the wiring. I’m not sure how they did the layout this time, but they could have used a big junction box or wireway with a couple of 2 or 3-inch conduits. They say hindsight is 20/20, but not in this situation.
You’re right, I’m not in a position to fire anyone. I had 40 years in IBEW before I retired, and if I did that, I would be the one getting fired. The pipework is very well done, but not necessary 🙂
I think ‘s pipe bending skills are becoming rare. Many people struggle to do it correctly and efficiently. Personally, I love working with conduit.
You’re absolutely right, but when you or the foreman are laying out a job, try to use the fewest bends possible every time.
Is completely dedicated.
Not all of us have the luxury of sitting in an office and meticulously checking the spelling and grammar of all our social media interactions.
When I think about X Men, I always picture Wolverine!
Looks like an error. His conduit runs were going towards what he / she BELIEVED was the correct panel but realized too late.
You have to admit…that was a pretty impressive recovery 😁😁😁
Actually, it’s ‘he’
Could have added a gutter in between them
No, not when they’re two different voltages
Yeah, you’re allowed to. There isn’t a rule that says you can’t combine voltages in a box
Yeah, that’s correct.
Can 277V circuit wires be in the same raceway as 120V circuit wires? Yes, as long as all wires have an insulation voltage rating equal to or greater than the highest circuit voltage.
Nope, isn’t.
Can you put 277V circuit conductors in the same raceway as 120V circuit conductors? Yes, as long as all the conductors have an insulation voltage rating equal to or greater than the maximum circuit voltage.
Can 277V circuit conductors and 120V circuit conductors be in the same raceway? Yes, as long as all the conductors have an insulation voltage rating equal to or greater than the maximum circuit voltage.
What happens if is 600v?
Make sure the voltage rating is below 600v. Just to clarify, don’t combine 1000v with 277v.
But that’s my exact point. There isn’t sufficient information here to claim that just a gutter could solve it. We are not permitted to run 600v in the same raceway as lower voltages based on our code.
Within reason, obviously you can’t have 12, 24, 60volt wiring in 600v rated wiring
These panels are clearly 480volt or below, so it won’t make a difference…
Seriously? Can you really determine that from a blurry picture of two panels? Especially when one of them is open. I have come across multiple 600v panels that appear identical to the 240v panel placed beside them. You seem to be making several assumptions here with very limited information available.
I would logically deduce that a mistake was made somewhere, possibly with underground feeders, and it was only discovered just before they landed the pipe on top of the panel resulting in this situation. I would also consider that two different voltages were piped this way maybe due to specifications on the prints indicating to keep them separate.
I’m not implying the builder didn’t specify to keep voltages separate, I’m just saying that if all the wiring has 600volt rated insulation, it complies with the code.
If the builder mandated that, then it would make sense
Managed to make the best out of a poorly planned situation
Precisely
Oh wow
Really can’t put it into words any better.
I totally agree with you, . The design looks great, but it would have been more practical if they had gotten it right from the start.
Didn’t quite hit the mark with that. It would have been better to place the mess at the top where it’s less noticeable and have the straight lines at eye level. That’s just my opinion though. Let’s make sure the bends are kept out of sight.
Uys out in the field always manage to make the office look fantastic, don’t they?
I don’t think it would change the look much. It seems like the pipes on the right go up into a gutter, maybe. They’ll still be visible no matter what. That’s just my opinion. The ceiling looks open, so you’ll see some bends regardless. ‘t be a buzzkill; admire the neat job.
Is spot on.
What I’m curious about is who is to blame for the lack of foresight in planning this. I highly doubt it’s the person who installed the pipe. He definitely showed them who’s boss though 🤙🏼
Just three letters: OCD
Billable hours
What do you mean?
Charging by the hour.
Maybe should have mounted the panels correctly, just a thought
The Xero symbol
Lack of preparation
Maybe not the best plans. OCD isn’t necessarily a bad thing. Just make sure it looks good.
Crafted in X mens
An error occurred
It would have been better to mount a trough above the panels and connect them with nipples.
Unfortunately, that may not always be a feasible option.
When dealing with normal power and critical power, they must be kept separate.
How about moving the panels instead of creating holes for connectors and nipples for a trough? I would prefer bending the conduit than doing that.
WHY! What a waste of man hours and money…
Did you go to work while under the influence?
Hey , show us your pipe craftsmanship!
Impressive conduit craftsmanship
There was an error in the placement of the panels or the path of the pipes
I wonder why they didn’t consider flipping the panels
The potential error actually doesn’t look too bad
Terrible layout!!
Make sure there’s a gap at the top and then go down each section
Joe oetz might need to work under the panels and reroute the services.
Wasn’t really planned out
Seems like someone lost some money
Installed the panels on the incorrect side
It might be a good idea to install a pull box over it to prevent any cross over, even though the bending seems fine, it doesn’t save time in my opinion. The rest is history 😅😅😅
Maybe next time, use a gutter.
It appears fine, but how about switching the panels?
Lol have you had a job before?
I might consider relocating the panels, if it’s doable. Can’t see what’s beneath the panels in this image.
Room of danger
I initially wondered why they didn’t just run the pipes straight down into the panels, errors were made but then some sort of superhero swooped in and fixed everything
I agree, .
It seems like the wrong information ended up in the wrong places, and that was their temporary solution.
Absolutely terrible planning, you’re terminated
Looks like someone made a mistake, haha.
It looks like someone is taking their sweet time on the clock and stretching out their work day.
Labor has been wasted.
Love the artwork
There was a reason for this
The individual who completed this task for my company has been let go
😊👍⚡⚡⚡
This is a masterpiece!
Somebody really messed up. This is the first time I’ve ever seen a gutter put above a panelboard.
I’m all about getting all my panels done up properly now. Once the panel is good to go, we make sure to bring spare circuits from all available breakers up into the gutter and connect them to terminal blocks on a din rail. This way, we won’t have to shut down the panel later on just to tie in a circuit, because it’s already set up and just needs a breaker lock.
Oh, and I personally think having (3) 2” nipples coming down into a panel from a gutter looks way better than having 18 3/4 and 3 1” ones, but that’s just my own preference.
I mean, I won’t bother cutting in a gutter if the conduits are already set up, but if it’s a new install, then yeah, I like to do it that way.
There is no issue with this piping work
My initial reaction was like, why?
More difficult to fish the wire through
I’m a big believer in the 6 P’s
Proper
Planning
Prevents
Poor
Performance
Seems like the deck construction was done incorrectly
Increases the total number of allowable bends. Looks adorable but is kind of pointless like my trainee
Try using reverse panels next time, saves a lot of time
Seems like a result of poor planning
I had the same thought, ! 🤷♂️
They managed to cover up their mistake nicely
No matter how awesome it appears, that’s not how it should be.