How does a 60-year-old electrician navigate the open interpretation of the code book?
Asked by Adam Lavoie 
4 weeks ago
Last Updated: October 27, 2024
The code book can be interpreted in different ways, according to this experienced 60-year-old shop electrician.
Brilliant
Just imagine the amount of time he’s saving
Ah, those were the good old days
I’m telling you it won’t collapse
That method could actually be effective. It’s a bit risky and would depend on the AHJ. I wouldn’t phrase it like that. However, as long as the inspector sees a strong and sturdy hanger, they typically won’t have any issues.
Oh, and this also applies to any hanger not supporting another trade’s main work (pipe, duct, or non-supporting structure). And yes, if they choose to do so, they could definitely fail based on what you shared. Someone with a few years of experience might know where they can take shortcuts. However, an inspector could easily access records and identify those who are involved, if they wish to do so.
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It’s technically allowed, but you need to use a different electrical conduit next to it, you can’t connect directly to a water line
What specific source allows for the endorsement of running a conduit from a different raceway legally?
I doubt he will be able to find a source for that 😂
I’m also 60 years old
I come across a lot of old upfits done in this way that need to be brought up to code. It’s no longer considered legal. It hasn’t been for quite some time.
Once upon a time it might have been, but I’ve never been shot down. I’m not a fan, but sometimes you have to do what you have to do.
It’s perfectly legal to use one conduit to support another.
300.11(B) Raceways Used as Means of Support. Raceways should only be used as a support for other raceways, cables, or non-electrical equipment under specific conditions. Do you still believe that?
Is playing devil’s advocate here. How can you be sure there is wire in the conduit he attached to?
No way it’s lol
Have you had a chance to read the other responses?
The last time I utilized a codebook, which was more than 20 years ago, I have only ever failed 1 inspection in my entire career over a ground screw. I have been working as an Electrician for over 40 years, and I have never wired a house before. I am familiar with what meets the requirements and what doesn’t, I seldom resort to copying
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The general guideline codebook
Here is an example
It says shall? Are you thinking you’re missing a not
Found one that specifies it cannot be on the same trades.
Hey, do you know how much was on it?
Using raceway for support is not permitted
For a different trade’s job, huh? Similar trade? Kinda sketchy. An inspector could overlook it, act clueless, point it out and let you fix it, or just fail you outright. It really depends on their mood. If there’s no other option within 10 feet and it’s in a utility room, they might let it slide.
Hey, , it’s a clear violation of the code.
Inspectors like find violations every day and address them promptly.
Hey, I hear you. I’ve had inspectors sign off on work without even leaving their trucks before. But just because they do that doesn’t mean you can do a half-hearted job. It’s important to make sure the work is done right, otherwise it’s just sloppy!
Should always do the right thing, even when no one is watching. In a world where people constantly try to take advantage of others, I choose not to participate in that behavior. After all, the next person being taken advantage of could easily be me.
Hey Carmen, can you please quiet down a bit?
If I were an inspector, I would handle it case by case.
Right?! It’s usually ourselves causing the issue, haha!
Hey Carmen, technically the strut and strut strap are “supporting” all the weight. The back-to-back straps are UL listed to support the pipes, and our own inspectors in the metro area have given them the green light. Let them fly!
Seems to be more focused on the pen changeover for what I think is a low-voltage pipe, but who really knows, haha. Everything looks good to me and appears to safely provide a circuit.
Dealing with two cowboys in a row. The electrician at the shop is the AHJ in this area.
You’re the second person I’ve seen call minis cowboys, last guy I worked with was from Texas and called them cowboys
I’ve been to Texas, wouldn’t be surprised if that’s where I picked that up. Mini cowboys standoffs…..
However, you should have a strut behind it, just make use of the strut instead 🤦😞🤦😞
How would ph ancho De Leon use the strut if the couplings are already there and a strut strap is in place? It’s actually pretty clever. It may not look great, but it gets the job done. You can definitely use it to support other conduits.
Use a 3/8 spring nut and 3/8 threaded rod, a square washer, lock washer, and nut. Then add a 7/8 strut, lock it down and finish. If the coupling is there, we’ll cut the pipe. That’s how it should be done – no room for laziness, take pride in your work
Build a shallow strut trapeze on top of the current strut
Can we chat about that pex a bit?
Innovative
Can we discuss why the PEX is connected to the EMT using a bushing and connector?
It is completely legal to provide support for a conduit using another conduit.
Just not right the way he’s doing it. You can only secure to equal or larger size. 1 inch needs to be on strut and 3/4 minimum to 1 inch
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Enerally not allowed by law!
O ahead and send it
Consecutive minis being legal or not, I’m pretty sure he managed to leave on time. Just my two cents! I’m totally guilty of using them.
If there’s water in the pipe, it can simply flow over the top of the panel hahaha
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Spring nuts in the strut with a square washer and 2 3/8 inch allthread about 4 inches long along with another piece of strut is the correct method.
Yep, .
Just move on from it
What’s the matter with you for posting this stuff?
Sounds good to me
China utilizes electrical wiring in a pex-like tube
I’ve never come across water line being inside a conduit before.
Hey Jeff, we’re working on an apartment project and the plumbers are using our 1 inch PVC 90s to guide their pec pipes up through the floor to keep everything neat and secure.
Yeah, that’s a common occurrence with slabs. It’s often seen with radiant floor heating.
The code that comes after is not worth following
Seems like it’s supported to me
I have completed that task
I personally don’t understand why it’s an issue but it’s incorrect
Has the potential to result in the building catching fire
Scotty Purge
Oh, I was under the impression we were discussing the hot and cold waterlines that are secured together and running in EMT. 
Back to back minis especially that close to our strut? Smart
It is not allowed to have the 1 inch secured to the strut and the 3/4 inch connected to the 1 inch
Warm and cool water
I’m not convinced those are actual cables. Possibly air lines🤷♂️
Looks messed up
Yikes. Revolting
It happens frequently and tends to be ignored
Oh wow, look at all those comments 😳
No.
Are you new at this?
It’s not the best practice, but I have resorted to doing it in cramped situations with no other option. It passed inspection
Experienced many things
Wow, that’s a tricky situation. Depending on the building code in that area, I have to give credit to the plumber for installing corner braces and running the hot and cold water lines through actual conduit. I have a feeling this might be an under floor hydronic system based on how the water line is set up. Not going to delve into the details, but it’s clear that this setup was pieced together over multiple generations. Other than that? Not very impressive.
While the code book can be interpreted differently, the AHJ has the final say. 👍🏻 👎 It’s up to them.
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